21
Mar
09

what did YOU think of the BSG finale?

spoiler_alert

I asked for comments in my previous post, but people have been holding back for fear of spoiling the show for folks in third world countries who may not see the finale for a while.  In that case, I am creating THIS post as an invitation – and a warning – to let the flood gates open and tell us what you really  think in as much detail as you like.  So take the kid gloves off, roll up your sleeves and spill the beans.  No holds barred!  I’ll even temporarily  switch off the comment approvals, so your thoughts will be shared with the world  immediately… so let’s hear it!  Click through, scroll down to the comments section and give us your review (I trust the above image will satisfy those who bitch about not being given fair warning when spoilers are ahead).

Throughout the comments section I will post my own thoughts and answer your questions as best I can!


100 Responses to “what did YOU think of the BSG finale?”


  1. March 21, 2009 at 3:02 am

    I liked it.

    The ending was good, although I thought the final few minutes could have been executed better.

    The scenes with Galactica being bombarded at the Colony were fucking awesome. :D

  2. 2 dssstrkl
    March 21, 2009 at 3:10 am

    I thought it was good. There were a few loose ends that needed tying up (like what the hell was Starbuck? A ghost or an angel or what?), but I thought it ended right where it should have.I also really enjoyed the homages to the original series after they found Earth.

    Oh, and I think I should point out that I totally called the surprise back in January: http://dssstrkl.com/blog/2009/1/19/my-awesome-and-totally-unique-bsg-conspiracy-theory.html

    I though that the battle of the Cylon colony was spectacular! Truly one of the best space battles that I’ve ever seen, TV or movie. And when Galactica broke her back after the last jump, I really saw how she only held together by the collective will of the crew. The toasters of both eras were well done; really menacing. Of course, the red stripes were just a nice touch.

    One thing though: how did the rebel base ship get repaired? I didn’t notice any damage to the points when it jumped away at the end. You guys did a great job, and I hope you keep the blog open for your next project; it was really insightful.

  3. 3 darthmojo
    March 21, 2009 at 4:43 am

    The rebel baseship healed itself over time… there was a line of dialog which explained it would heal itself eventually, and over several episodes we had less and less damage on the ship – go back and you’ll see!

    I can’t take credit for any of the Colony battle – that was handled by some of the other guys – but I’ll be sure to pass the word on.

  4. March 21, 2009 at 5:16 am

    Which shots in the finale did you work on?

  5. March 21, 2009 at 5:20 am

    As I watched the end of the episode I experienced an odd sensation, that of ten thousand fanboys screaming out in terror and then silenced as Starbuck vanished without explanation.

    But what more do people need? She was Gandalf the White. Her job wasn’t done first time around so she got booted back until her task was completed. Then it was off to Valinor (or HeadGodMaelstromWhateverLand). And if you want to say the One True God was the thirteenth Lord of Kobol, or that humanity REALLY originated on the ‘real’ Earth tens of millennia even before that and moved to Kobol, you can conclude that as well. It’s all good.

    There was some many other great moments it’s impossible to list them all, from Tyrol founding Scotland (which made me crack up: is that why there’s some immortal Highlanders kicking around fifteen millennia later?) to the night-time cityscapes of Caprica City to the Cylons beating the hell out of one another to Six and Baltar ending up together and the frankly amazing way they turned a grassy bit of Canada into the high plains of Africa. Galactica’s back finally breaking, Romo as President (Vice-President Jake!) and Racetrack saving the day despite being deceased.

    But I don’t think you could ask for a better final moment than Jimi’s guitar kicking in. The perfect note to bow out on.

    On an effects note, was it deliberate that Galactica jumped away from the Colony with its flight pods extended? I know sometimes it happened in Season 1 by accident, but when it jumped back into space you could see the Vipers and Raptors in the landing bay being thrown around by the turbulence (which I’m guessing is why the pods are normally retracted).

    Also was there a sequence of the Colony’s actual destruction filmed? RDM said in an interview this morning that the Colony was sucked into the singularity and destroyed, but that got edited down for time, leaving some people to conclude that there are still some Cavills/Simons/Dorals out there.

  6. March 21, 2009 at 6:07 am

    So Mojo, may we get some shiny high res pictures from the finale? I’m especially interested in pictures from Caprica City.

  7. 7 tom.cat
    March 21, 2009 at 6:25 am

    The whole VFX team must have been working overtime for this episode. I didn’t find all of it convincing (e.g. Galactica after the emergency jump), but Caprica City was absolutely beautiful!

    A big Thank You to everyone involved, it’s been a pleasure watching the show! <3

  8. March 21, 2009 at 6:25 am

    Daybreak was good, but when’s the Finale going to be on?

  9. 9 ety3
    March 21, 2009 at 7:00 am

    It was glorious. I told a friend, “It was 90 minutes of the most hardcore porn you’ve ever seen followed by 30-45 minutes of sweet, tender cuddling. And it was all good.”

    I’m a little off-put by the Earth-1/Earth-2 switcheroo. Yes, I can legitimize it, but Kara said when she came back in “Crossroads” that she had been to Earth (1) and then we were whip-zoomed over to Earth (2). A tad underhanded, but I guess I’ll let it slide.

    So what did that cost? $10 million or more? That hour or so of battle was unreal. Did I see an OG centurion slice a Colonial’s throat with his sword appendage? I also noticed that the OG centurion suit in the museum was replaced with a CG robotic Cylon. I hope that the extended DVD cut somehow makes it more explicit that the Colony’s station-keeping engines were destroyed by the nukes and that the whole shebang just drifted into the singularity.

  10. March 21, 2009 at 7:32 am

    My thoughts were too long to write here, but I did post an article on my blog about the final episode if anyone is interested:

    http://blog.nicholascloud.com/?p=255

    Love the blog Mojo!

  11. 11 Street
    March 21, 2009 at 7:33 am

    I know feel like having finishing a long night of passion. Extremely sated and content.

    Well done to all involved in this master monument to storytelling!

    My girlfriend is new to BSG and is watching from the beginning. She has not seen any episode ahead of where she is. I am taking the journey along with her and, man, is it tough to not comment on what the future holds. As we go along, I am amazed at the road that the characters take.

    As to the few points of ambiguity in the ending. That leaves a place for speculation and our minds to wander. Thanks for not answering everything.

    Finally, Scots rule!

  12. March 21, 2009 at 7:34 am

    What did I think? Well, I’ve never enjoyed having my balls kicked up around my ears quite so much.

    The battle… yes. Just… yes. The cylons duking it out? Yes. Galen’s inevitable moment of clarity? Yes. My heart broke a little with Galactica’s back – I would refer anyone saying “it was unrealistic” to footage of the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse – the harmonic whipping worked just fine for me.

    All in all… I feel sad, sort of hollowed out… and kind of poignantly happy. From thinking “they could just kill everyone this ep…” through to the petulent Cavil eating his own gun through to the cameo of Ron Moore at the end, it all just… worked. It was a beautiful goodbye.

    Thank you for the journey. I think I might allow myself a few tears now.

  13. March 21, 2009 at 8:06 am

    @ety3 There _was_ no switcheroo…_our_ Earth was named after another 13th colony planet names Earth.

    @DM Stellar results..if you’re taking requests, I’d _love_ a high-res version of the top down shot of the torn up Galactica flying over Africa.

    In my 40 years (32 of them a Sci-Fi Buff) I figger this is the best ending to any series I think I’ve ever witnessed. Y’all have done yourselves proud.

  14. 14 MikeZ
    March 21, 2009 at 8:15 am

    It was a great finale even though a lot of it left a bad aftertaste:
    1. Using up that much time for flashbacks which contained stuff we either knew already or mostly didn´t contribute much at all)
    2. After two thirds full of action they pretty much just wander around outside for 45 minutes. This last part contained lots of scenes which brought some closure but for example ripping Lee and Kara apart once again just felt wrong, after all they´ve been through.

    And why was it never again touched that we´ve seen the Ship Of Light on screen (even though it was only a painting)? Or if Kobol was abandoned and the Final Five had a different origin that what the heck happened to the thirteenth tribe and who exactly attacked the old Cylon society?

    The VFX were great once again. Unless you count minor things like the reflections on the Centurions (especially the one whose “backpack” Baltar was shooting at). But it probably would´ve been too much of a luxury to photograph chrome balls on-stage beforehand to spice up the reflections (like the usual procedure for HDRI environments but less heavy on the resources).

  15. 15 jasonof2000
    March 21, 2009 at 8:16 am

    I’m conflicted. Galactica has always been a dark show to me, I loved that darkness, so a happy ending just feels… wrong! I really wanted to have the series end with me shouting “DAMN YOU RON MOORE!” at the screen, instead I was bored at the end and waiting for it to be over.

    However the first 2/3rd was fracking awesome! Lots of ‘splosions, Cylon on Cylon fighting, Tori getting what she deserves and then finding the “real” Earth, was all just so emotionally draining and what I wanted!

    Then the rest… Just dragged on and on and my emotional drain/high went away.

    I wish Helo would of died (not enough people died for it to really be a good Galactica ending, and the fight for Hera should of had a higher cost in blood), Laura should of died before man stepped foot on the promised land(the dying leader prophecy), hell Adama dying in the fight would of been fitting.

    The bit about abandoning all tech seems lame, but it does make sense, I would imagine those Civvy ships were in bad shape as well (4 year of hard use) and I doubt much of their tech would of been useful after a couple years on a planet, but having the fleet fly itself into the sun?

    At first I thought the coda at the end was just unnecessary. Seeing the ‘angles” lament over mankind and then showing us developing robots to Jimmy Hendrix was just kind of… meh. However I thought about it over night and I like it now. I think they got the music wrong when they showed those proto-Cylons, instead of Hendrix “All Along the Watchtower” it should of been that creepy music they used to play for Six earlier in the series.

  16. March 21, 2009 at 8:20 am

    I was one of those ambigious, spoiler-free posts earlier, so thanks for the invitation to let loose with the details.

    I thought the finale was masterful. If I had paid $9 to see it in a theater, I would have been satisfied (which is more than I can say for my usual cinematic experience). I love how it didn’t try to end with a SFX “bang” but an emotional one. It resolved the characters we’ve fallen in love with, who were always the heart of the show.

    It was the last two beats of the finale that I had a problem with. Why Adama would never come back was a bit troubling to me, especially after Roselyn died. I mean, is he going to hang out by her grave forever? It was a nice final image, but go home and spend time with your son for crying out loud. You don’t repair a relationship like that to leave it forever. So that made me sad, but that is also part of the drama of the show. Not ending as I would like doesn’t mean not ending as it should.

    But the real big problem I had was the final epilogue, “150,000 years later”. It left an odd taste in my mouth. The final images of the show were of a modern New York (which we never visited) and two characters we were never compelled to feel an attraction to, the “angel” versions of Caprica and Gaius.

    It was also heavy handed. I didn’t need that much explained. I didn’t need, “and the moral of the story is…” For the first time in four years, I thought the show was talking down to me, and that was a sincere disappointment.

    The final shot should have been Adama sitting by the grave of Roselyn. They were the “mom and dad” of the show, the characters we cared about, on the earth they fought so hard to bring humanity to. “Angel” Caprica and “Angel” Gaius roaming around a modern-day Times Square felt like a cheap tag. And the pictures of all the robots… yes, we get it.

    The good news is when I get it on blu-ray, I’ll just hit the stop button before it happens!

    Congratulations, Battlestar Galactica. You were one of the best sci-fi shows to ever grace the television.

  17. 17 ety3
    March 21, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Screaming Viking —

    The switcheroo wasn’t on the names, it was on the planets themselves. Kara said she had been to one planet and we were shown a different one moments later. Switcheroo, shenanigans, hoo-doo, gypped, fake out, whatever you want to call it.

    Again, I’m not down about this at all, I’m just sayin’ …

  18. 18 Kimikaze
    March 21, 2009 at 9:49 am

    What a finale! From the intense and adrenaline-pumping, heart-racing, holy-frak, battlestar-ramming Battle of the Colony to the lingering bittersweet moments on Earth 2 (New Earth?), it was a helluva swansong and left me satiated. Thank you Ron Moore, David Eick, and the cast & crew for the finest work on television… period.

    Yes, I had some confusion, too, regarding Kara. There were definitely some unanswered questions, like where did her gleaming new Viper come from? (Well, I guess God or some higher power made it. Hell, that’s a piece of cake compared to resurrecting a person!) Then again, you can’t answer all the mysteries because where would the fun be in that? I wonder if Kara simply left existence or went to heaven or something? At least she left fulfilled and happy.

    I actually enjoyed the 150,000 years later segment. As soon as I heard the music cue, I thought, “uh-oh, we’re jumping ahead!” I actually laughed out loud when I saw New York City. Even though it was a little heavy-handed, I also saw the creepiness of it all. The return of human decadence and technology racing faster than our social maturity. Will what has happened before happen again?

    Is it just me, or did anyone go “that’s it?” with Baltar’s and Six’s final role in this story. All these years, we were led to believe by Head Six that Baltar would lead humanity to its end. I’m still not sure what to make of that, but I do appreciate the twist on our expectations. Still not clear on Hera’s importance, cosmically speaking.

    Mojo, let me also put in a request for widescreen-size wallpaper on your beautiful work and of some awesome shots from the finale. Oh, and totally love the Spoilers Alert image. TWOK shoutout! You are awesome!

    So Say We All!

  19. 19 Fred M.
    March 21, 2009 at 9:50 am

    As I said in the other post, I was in shock thru most of it.

    As others have said, I too have walked away conflicted. I somehow have this desire deep inside to be angry about how the finale went but…just can’t. Almost as if the other side of my brain is going “But IT DOES actually work….”

    The entire situation with the Cylon battle blew me away. When Adama orders the ship to ram the station, I started tilting my head going “Oh no, no…no no no…you’re not going to…oh no.” The concept of them just “walking” onto the Cylon station because of it was really brilliant.

    I personally loved seeing the old Centurions. I was kind of funny watching some of the newer models killing the old ones. Boomer got what she deserved, and Tori finally had justice come down upon her. I actually believe the resolution for Chief was perfect, though might have thought he would show a little more interest in “the kid” that wasn’t his even though he raised for years.

    For some reason, the biggest problem I keep coming to is the “no technology, let’s start over from the beginning” concept. The goals of what they wanted to do could still have been met having a pistol. I just have a difficult time accepting that aspect. The one line “giving up creature comforts” doesn’t do the concept justice, you’re talking about “going back to pre-stone age.” I didn’t have a problem so much with the 150,000 time jump. I thought it made the point. I just…eh. And not having a final resolution to the “angel” Caprica/Gaius was a little disappointing.

    And then there was Galactica and the fleet. The scene was very moving heading into the sun, but I almost would have rather they go flying into deep space…the concept being that somehow, maybe, “the rag tag fleet” is still drifting out there somewhere.

    I really did like it though and will miss the show so much it isn’t funny.

  20. 20 Kasaii
    March 21, 2009 at 11:53 am

    It was a wonderful end to an even greater show. It was sad..epic..and awesomeness..all rolled up into one giant Cylon burrito of joy.

    The battle with the Colony was simply amazing. I was frozen when Galactica began to ram the side of it, because the Pegasus did that and exploded three seconds later. It was very epic either way..the old Centurions fighting with/against the newer models…I loved how the red stripe shot the old on in the head.

    The jump wit hthe flight pods open I almost had a heart attack, because Starbuck was the “harbinger of death”, I thought the ship was going to tear in half. Then the rest of the fleet came..and flew off into the sun with the Colonial Anthem..it was beautiful.

    The “no technology” was a little hard to accept, though it seems they kept their Raptors and Vipers.

    The finale was just too amazing to describe..This show was what inspired me to want a career in 3D animation someday, and nothing will ever come close to that.

    On a side note, I still feel Galactica was the dieing leader; the ship itself never reached the planet, it was out by the moon then headed to the sun. Roslin died ON the planet. Its probably pointless now but it makes sense haha.

    To sum it all up, there are no words for how great the finale was.

  21. 21 Kasaii
    March 21, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Oh ah I’d also like to second Kimikaze’s request for wallpaper size shots of the scenes in the finale xD

  22. 22 Obsidian
    March 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I loved it! from the utter insane madness of the fighting, to the Galactica flying over the moon…

    The ending, Laura’s death… I actually cried. I had blubbed a little when the Galactica whiplashed after her final jump… but had been expecting that. Roslyn wasn’t ON Earth when she died though – she did reach it, but never lived there, and I think that meets the meaning of the prophesy, rather than the letter.

    The final few moments… were good. The two angels deciding if it was time to shake humanity up a bit.

    My only disapointment, was the manner in which the Galactica died… I had been hoping (Praying almost) for a Homeworld type ending for her, buried on the moon perhaps, as a sort of… guardian angel, watching over her children.

    I feel she deserved better than a plunge into the sun.

    The visuals were stunning throughout. There are blockbuster movies with less attention to detail, and sheer awesomeness in the action. The red-stripe centurion destroying the Old Centurion, almost in an execution move… awesome.

    So, goodbye BSG, and thankyou Mr Mojo, for giving us these little glimpses into the work you and everyone with you have done. I am looking forward to the new show, of course, but it will never hold a candle.
    I for one will always remember a man named Adama, and a Battlestar called Galactica!

  23. March 21, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    The space battle was awesome, as I expected.

    I really liked how it all almost came together, with a truce and deal between Cavil and the Colonials, arbitrated by the Final Five… until Tori’s murder of Cally ruined the whole damn thing. Nice use of consequences.

    I have some problems with the anthropology of humans on (our) Earth not having language – my understanding is that it was language and tool-use that led to the giant brains of our direct ancestors – and the sociological problem of 38,000+ Colonials all agreeing to give up all their technology for a pastoral life. I think the ending was rushed, particularly after having spent many of the last episodes of the series dealing with minutia that did not drive the plot forward much if at all. These are nitpicks, though.

    Overall I am happy with how it all wrapped up. It was a good story, well-told.

    (Kinda hoped I’d see a Gold Centurion during the battle at the Cylon Colony, though. Damnit!)

  24. 24 xore
    March 21, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Honestly, it was a little to deus-ex-machina filled for my liking. For example… the colony was destroyed by nukes shot by a dead pilot? How very lucky that the dead pilot managed to fire the nukes off at the exact right time. Well, there goes my suspension of disbelief…

    Oh, and it turns out Starbuck is a walking, talking deus ex machina. How very lucky for us that she always has the right coordinates to jump to. It’s all right, however, because it turns out that she (along with Virtual Six and Baltar) are actually ANGELS! Give me a break.

    Maybe I’m being overly nitpicky, but it feels to me like they decided to answer every mystery in the show with “God did it!” Sorry, but that feels like lazy writing to me. Hopefully, The Plan will rectify a few of these problems.

  25. 25 Trevor
    March 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    I thought it was a pretty decent ending. The Starbuck being an angel thing was a little emotionally unsatisfying for my taste, I thought her being some sort of unknown model cylon or something would have been better. To me it just seemed to hang too much on the single god theory of the cylons. Even the final five originally believed in the pantheon that the humans believed in, but the Cylon concept of god was the correct one? Overall though these critiques are minor. BSG was by far the best scifi show I ever saw on TV. And the quibbles I had do not at all take away from the enjoyment I got from watching it. I am a little sad, but only because I know that all that I am left with for new TV scifi (if you can call it that) is Dollhouse…

    Hopefully The Plan will address this, but what happens with all the other cylons? While the colony was destroyed there are still an unknown number of baseships floating out there with cylons on them. Are they still trying to find humanity and destroy them? Do the human models die off or are they able to finally reproduce?

  26. 26 Vyger
    March 21, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Umm, yeah Mojo, which shots in the finale did you work on?

  27. 27 CapnRotbart
    March 21, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Seems to me as if somebody really wants to get a new Emmy.
    Visuals were simply outstanding. However I still need to digest the rest.

  28. 28 darthmojo
    March 21, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    The fate of the Colony was somehow lost in the final cut.

    The plan was to secretly jump the Raptors far away, and at the right time, lauch enough missiles to knock the Colony out of it’s very delicate orbit around the black hole and INTO the black hole. The final shots of the Colony were to be of it slipping out of orbit and breaking up.

    That’s why the Raptors had to launch out of the flight pods – so no one would see them heading off AND to make sure they actually would make it a safe distance away (if they simply launched and tried to fly the distance, they’d probably get picked off).

    This wasn’t very clear in the air version, but the longer, DVD version may address it.

  29. 29 darthmojo
    March 21, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    What did I contribute to the finale?

    I wasn’t able to work on the show to the bittersweet end. Months ago I designed and did previsualization for several sequences – the Raptors in the museum pod and launch, Galactica arriving at Earth, Adama’s final flight around The Fleet and The Fleet heading into the sun. I’d say my favorite shot that survived the final cut was the camera following a Raptor out of the flight pod, up and over Galactica’s engines and we reveal Earth. That one had a nice feel to it.

    The issue is that work on the finale’s visual effects had to be paused for a short time while the editors caught up (we didn’t want to create shots for scenes that might get cut) and the FX crew had to pause the finale to finish Caprica, which I was not involved in (new people were hired to work on Caprica while I did double duty to finish the remaining BSG episodes).

    When the “finale break” was over (during which I was working on other projects), sadly I was unable to return. While I appreciate the accolades for the incredible space battle sequence in the finale, I had nothing to do with it! However I will pass on your kind comments and see if the boys want to write something up for the blog.

  30. March 21, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    That’s a shame. But, still, it’s been a great show, and thanks for your part in it and for passing on all these little titbits here on your blog. Long may it continue, wherever you are and whatever you’re working on! Good luck!

  31. March 21, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    That’s interesting. In one of the final shots of the Colony, just before the nukes hit it, the angle of the shot made the Colony look almost identical to a Shadow vessel, and I was wondering if that was a deliberate shout-out to B5.

    There is one question for the CGI team which would be interesting to get answered. Throughout Season 4 we’ve been seeing the real starfields and constellations as seen from our Solar system, and a lot of people and bloggers (particularly the Galactica-Science blog) have spent some time pondering what this means: presumably that for most of Season 4 Galactica and co. have been in our neighbourhood, and the 13th Tribe’s Earth is at a nearby star. However, the finale then seemed to tell us that the ‘real’ Earth was many thousands of light-years away from where Galactica had been knocking around before that time, reachable at that distance (way beyond the red line) only by the Watchtower coordinates. I’d be interested to know if the use of the ‘real’ starfields was simply a mistake or a bit of a red herring or if it was done on instructions from the writers.

    Thanks a lot and many thanks for your great work on the show :-)

  32. 32 Jason
    March 21, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Part of me absolutely loved it and the other part hated it. Great job on finally using the good version of “Watchtower”!

    I found myself almost giggling when the Centurions (Galactica) were fighting the old Centurions. That rocked!

    I did think the ending was a tad drastic. No sane human would give up every usable scrap of material and just walk off into the wilderness. I’d like to see the first time they encounter a lion without their weapons. “Oh frak me…” I also thought it would have been more symbolic if they had shown some of the smaller ships landed and being dismantled for material.

  33. March 21, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    For a viewer who hasn’t watched a single episode of the series and all of a sudden decide to bow out and watch the final, I must admit that this was a good conclusion.

    I feel kind of awkward in saying that because this is Ron D. Moore we’re talking about. The man who helped write two very lackluster conclusions to one series, Star Trek: The Next Generation. Now I’m not saying All Good Things was a bad episode. It was good! It just wasn’t a conclusion. Star Trek Generations was all around bad. I can forgive Ron D. Moore a little for this since Generations has “We want TOS and TNG crew together no matter the cost!” written all over it. However, Ron does get 10 days detention for actually trying to defend Picard’s choice in only going back to fight Soran and not before he destroys the first Amigosa Star.

    Now why do I think this episode did things right? They finished the main story line in the first half of the episode and not at the very end. If this was a Star Trek series in the past decade, it would have ended right after Galactica is approaching the ‘our’ Earth just like Voyager did at the very end of the series. Instead of doing that, we get a additional hour long conclusion where we find out what the characters have to do with themselves now that they’ve reached their shining planet. It’s well drawn out and has a lot of touching moments. I will say that a lot of conclusions are pretty contrived (i.e. The characters want a clean slate only because the story needs them to, Starbuck being an angel and just leaving), I give them credit for giving the series an ending that has cadence, offers respect, and provides closure while at the same time not knocking my senses flat with just an abrupt fade to black.

    In terms of what I didn’t like, oh well.
    – There was no Lucifer. Hehe. I don’t know why, but that compiler resembling, robe wearing observer with an opinion always caught my eye as something more interesting than even the Imperious Leader. Since I love the re-imagined series take on the original centaurians (Not the new ones with the built-in hand guns), I would have loved to have seen what a redesign of Lucifer would look like.
    – Flashbacks. While some stories do good with flashbacks as a means of broadening a character’s background and giving us a better idea about their motivation behind their actions, I thought that this took flashbacks too far. It felt more like a “Let’s now put in meaningful moments that we never saw and put them into the last moments!” cop out that I deem to be a little lazy in writing department. We didn’t have a flashback of the good old times of Spock and Kirk before Spock’s death, or even a “When I retire, I’m going to get a big boat and sail the seas!” cliche! There was a lot of that in this episode too.
    – No redemption, just kill’em all! Whether it’s trying to find redemption, trying to make things right, trying to hold out to the very end or just trying to figure out what the heck your purpose is, we got to see a lot of characters go out in awkward ways. The whole choking bit I felt was over the top simply because it’s what made me not like BSG to begin with. A lot of characters will do horrible things but they always end up happy and being supported by their comrades. Huh? He just broke off a very delicate cease fire that’s keeping the humans alive just to brutally murder a helpless woman? Ok, ok. I don’t have a wife, so I don’t know what it would be like if she got ejected out of an airlock by some nice looking lady, but this just feels “He finds out the truth and just kills her”. Oh, well. If it works, it works. I just think he got off too easy for a brutal act of murder against a helpless woman.

    I’m sure I’m leaving a lot out I’d like to address, but here is what I’ve got for now. Hope everyone here enjoyed the final and I hope whatever comes next (though I loath prequels) lives up to the standards this series set for you.

    P.S. I bet those remaining centurions built a new model and named the first one Lucifer!

  34. March 21, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    I didn’t think that it could be pulled off in the remaining two hours, and then they go and do it–largely in the first hour. Mighty impressive.

    OK, I didn’t like the Starbuck ending. (I would have cut to her on the bucket with Anders after the last shot of her with Lee.)

    I LOVED the fight b/t Galactica and the Colony ship. Pity we didn’t get to see your “inside the turrent” view. I kept hoping that would show up. Super-loved the old raiders last week and the old Centurions this week. (I always wished that the centurion in the museum would be re-activated to help the Fleet.) Also, what was going on with Boomer’s Raptor, as that seems to be the only time in the season where a Jump near another ship is problematic.

    Anyhoo, good job all around. Please give my regards to everyone involved.

  35. 35 John N. Ritter
    March 21, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    I thought it was fantasic. I liked the Star Trek tip off. See references to the Star Trek Phase II episode “Planet of the Titians” for more.

    Starbucks disappearance was well done.

    I am left with the feeling that a movie a couple years or so from now, showing the RTF showing up at Earth under the control of Anders, and Kara, to explain some things, but not others, make just be a money maker.

    But like others have asked, about the anthropology the humans on Earth were Homo Neanthals, and we don’t as of yet have a complete grasp on what they could do. The Colonials are Homo Sapien Sapiens…

    Another point: Any Vipers, Raptors, or other ships left on the surface of the Earth would be completely gone by now, totally unrecognizible as to what the were. This most would have occured in the first thousand years… Anything left over after that…

    A question: What about other Cylon groups, the Colony was destroyed, but what about the Twelve Colonies – any Cylons left there?

    UFOs any one?

  36. 36 Obsidian
    March 21, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Also, what was going on with Boomer’s Raptor, as that seems to be the only time in the season where a Jump near another ship is problematic.

    The raptors jumping out of the pod in the finale ripped the entire hull apart. But obviously, by this point it didnt matter if the Galactica got a bit more burst.

  37. 37 Ryan T. Riddle
    March 21, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Frakking awesome! The last hour of the show is still rolling around in my head.

  38. 38 AJ
    March 21, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    It was just what it should have been. Awesome ride folks. Thanks. So say we all.
    AJ

  39. March 22, 2009 at 4:34 am

    Everyone keeps talking about angels w.r.t. Starbuck. I thought she’d just gotten looped when her ship squished, and when she was done her timeline collapsed – a closed timelike curve is the excuse a lot of sci-fi writers use. It makes my inner physicist grumble, but I took that one over “angels”. Also, I got the impression that she was Daniel the Murdered Cylon Line’s daughter. He’d left the co-ordinates of this world left encoded in her brain waiting to be awakened by the music/stresses/whatever. Angels and Gods not required, just a fallback plan left in place. Did I get it wrong?

    Re: Galactica not ripping a hole in the colony while Boomber’s raptor ripped a chunk out of her, I just figured you could only squeeze an FTL field down so small. Hence a proportionally larger disruption around a Raptor, whilst the Bucket’s translation field extends a similar distance, but is proportionally widdy. Either that, or they ran out of budget, one or the other… ;)

    As series endings go, it was vastly more satisfying than most, and seing Galactica cross the finish line – and Luna’s terminator – after six years and thirty years was profoundly pleasing.

  40. 40 centurion005
    March 22, 2009 at 6:52 am

    Darth mojo I am an amature/student cgi artist.Not good with the modeling part but good with the rendering. I was wondering. Since the show is over could you send me or post the TOS centurion models for donwload?Id also like the new basestar. If there is some rule about the license mabey you could send a modified lower or medium polygon model.I have maya, and lightwave.Also how the frak do you do the FTL jump? Is it just a lens effect? Do you do it in lightwave,maya or in after effects or another post effects program like combustion?Just wondering. Also could you get the galactica hallway plans? I want to model it but I need a front view diagram of it.

  41. March 22, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Nice ending.

    Would have been great to have a short scene in Area 51 showing that the items in the inventory included a Raptor and a new-version Cylon!

  42. 42 centurion005
    March 22, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Something to what fedfry is talking about.The centurions probably evolved into the greys who are actualy the centurions. The movie A.I. had at the end the robots evolving into organic looking but still fully mechanical grey like bodys.I would still love those models. It probably wont happen but it doesnt hurt to ask.

  43. 43 Mike
    March 22, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Angels? Really? That’s the best the writers could come up with? Meh.

    Overall, the first two-thirds of the finale were satisfying. The rest was tepid and not well thought out.

    And I have a particular problem about the earths. The colonials find directions to earth on Kobol, complete with the 12 constellations of the zodiac. So off they head and find the dead cylon world. Now, after some exposition, we find the colonials on our earth…are we to assume that the dead cylon world (earth 1 for lack of a better term) is near to earth 2? Afterall, the constellations you see every night in our sky are the ones that directed the colonials to earth 2. As a professional astronomer, I can tell you there are no earth-like planets THAT close to our earth. Sorry, perhaps I missed something along the journey, but that’s one bit of disbelief I can’t suspend.

    Overall, I loved most of the series…the VFX were beyond compare. The finale, well, the writing seemed lazy and forced. The unanswered questions detracted too much from the visual treat the final battles afforded.

  44. March 22, 2009 at 11:37 am

    centurion005, you can download fanmade models of Cylon centurions and Galactica online. Just do a google and you’ll find plenty of models of varying poly count. You can also find some set plans online (such as in the on-going ebay auctions), or do what most people do and figure it all out from screenshots (which is actually a lot more fun because you get to play detective a little).

    As for the finale, I absolutely loved it. The first hour was better than most movies, in terms of action, set design (loved those Colony ship corridors) and obviously CGI. I liked most of the wrapping up of storylines, although I didn’t like the stock footage of robots towards the end. RDM’s cameo was a little in your face, but it’s only right that he’d get to star in his own show before it finished.

    My favourite little CG moment was when Galactica jumped to Earth and you could see a landram rolling down the launch deck and knocking into Vipers, one of which fell out of the flight pod. :)

  45. 45 centurion005
    March 22, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Jpearse the fanmade tos centurion looks like crap and I havnt found any new basestar models.Mike you are wrong on the no earth like planets near us. The folks at nasa doing kepler think there could be one in alpha centuri. Theres also another solar system that could have one epsilon eridum or whatever its name is is only 20 light years away.

  46. 46 John N. Ritter
    March 22, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    About the constellations. Get a really good star map for your computer. Then go back in time on your computer, 150,000 years to be exact. Then find out where in the galaxy star formation similar to the Zodiac can be found.

    After all stars move. So a good and complete program should come up with a number of possibilities.

    Note the constellations don’t have to exact, if you settle for a 90% much you will find more. A 95% match will be fewer. You see the problem is, is how accurate is the data you have avialable.

    So what I am saying is that the likely hood of star patterns being similar to the Zodiac, is high, after all, there are around 400,000,000,000 or so…

    Once you have that, then find the nearest match towhere we were 150,000 years ago. Bingo!

  47. March 22, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Epsilon Eridani. 10.5 lightyears.

  48. 48 Axel
    March 22, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    I had prefered an another end : the bad cylons are killed, centurions (old and news) are freed. Only the good skinjobs are alive (with resurrection technology given back by the final five): human and cylon on earth (and in space), breaking the cycle of violence, living together, cities created with the remnants of the human ships : that’s a good end….

    Let me cite few plot holes :

    1) no more resurrection technology ? Baseships were accompagnied by resurrection ships because the baseships were too far away from “home” (the hub ?) for resurrection to work.
    It is very convenient to say afterward that they do not work without the hub.

    So they should still work ! So they should still be able resurrect. They have those build ships so they should be able to build more !

    2) it was said that cylon were millions (I suppose, skinjobs+centurions+old model
    centurions)… Where are they ? The colony was to small to contains so much people. Maybe multiples colonies ?? Where are all the basestars ? (only a few were destroyed during season

    4) And where are the old style basestars ? We’ve seen that old style cylon fighters (and centurions) are well in use in the colony…

    3) If they still have resurrections ships, cylons can have time to reverse engineer
    resurrection technology (and maybe make multiple “hub” so that there is no single point of failure this time ). Indeed, this technology is not obvious, but if 5 cylons ere able to get it back (or reinvent it), the ressources of a few millions cylons seems to be enough. And the had time to study the hub……

    4) Only a few Leoben, six en eight were rebels (a few baseships if you remember the episode). That does not mean that all of them are rebel of were on the colony.
    Logic dictates that other six, eight still exist… And will thrive again !

    I know, it’s only a (excellent) TV show, but I think there are still possibilities with the actual story to hope for Cylon survival (more six ;) )

  49. 49 Towaway
    March 22, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    In many places this finale is being compared to “The Sopranos” and I can agree. Very emotional and we are left to figure it out afterwards.

    Visually, it was stunning.

    Just when I being disappointed in the story a punch was pulled out of nowhere and made the story sparkle. I was crying foul when the war with Cabel was ending so quickly and the WHAM! Galen learns the truth about Callie and all hell breaks loose.

    The dispersing of the Humans and Cylons happens and I keep waiting for an explanation of how important Hera is and WHAM! The 150,000 year jump. EXCELLENT!

    Each character got a swan song and each was emotionally satisfying. It took two viewings for me to grow comfortable with Kara’s resolution although, I was still hoping for a tie in with Daniel that we were toyed with only a few episodes earlier.

    The music cues to the original show were poignant. Mojo, you had mentioned there were more Easter Eggs for old school fans. Other than the scene where the drunken Bill really decides to stay on Galactica and when he flies over for the last time….what other throwbacks were there that I missed?

  50. 50 centurion005
    March 22, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    The rebel centurions probably went back rejoin the other cylons. I also liked how you had “uniforms” on the centurions.Looked like they were painted in the style of the star trek movie era uniforms.

  51. 51 centurion005
    March 22, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Sorry for the double post. Should of put this on my previous post.Towaway another ode to the original was that adama said this planet was one million light years away. Meaning that the 12 colonies took place along time ago in a galaxy far far away. The 12 colonies in tos were also in another galaxy. Theoretically the jump drive can jump anywhere in the universe as long as it has the right coordinates. The coordinates are extremely difficult to calculate without references like the zodiac star map.

    To quote han solo from star wars.

    “Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”

  52. 52 Snafu
    March 22, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Easter egg question here: I’d swear I saw The Towering Inferno’s skyscraper in Caprica City. Is it in there?

  53. March 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    “it was said that cylon were millions (I suppose, skinjobs+centurions+old model
    centurions)… Where are they ? The colony was to small to contains so much people. Maybe multiples colonies ?? Where are all the basestars ? (only a few were destroyed during season)”

    The Colony was absolutely massive. Using the basestars we saw flying over it for a size comparison, Galactica-Science came up with a conservative estimate for 250 km from one side to the other. That’s considerably bigger than the Death Star. There was easily room for millions of Cylons inside it.

  54. March 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Re: 150,000 years later (can’t resist!)

    There are those who believe that life here began…. out there.

    ;)

  55. 55 centurion005
    March 22, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    One question for snafu. What is and where is The Towering Inferno’s skyscraper from? Is that a movie a show or what?

  56. March 22, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    The effects were terrific, I think its one occasion where the Writers strike has been beneficial, if there hadn’t been a delay last Xmas then the final wouldn’t have been pushed back so much giving the FX team so long to get it all done.

    You know that some Cylons might’ve survived the black hole… :D

  57. 57 centurion005
    March 22, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    I definitely have to agree with mike. They were better than most movie effect! Way better than the day the earth stood still crapfest.Im not sure theres anything that match it. Both on tv and in movies.Except for mabey transformers.

    I have a theory that the black hole represents our economy. And the cylons are AIG. and madoff with all our money.lol.

  58. 58 Mike
    March 22, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    A few comments about the constellations and the earth-like planets. There have been NO planets like earth in the habitable zone of its star found around stars close enough to us to have the exact same constellation patterns as seen on Kobol. And the producers went to great pains to show the constellations *exactly* like what we see here. They weren’t approximately like or sort of like, they were exact. Further, the proper motion of the stars in the zodiacal constellations are not all the same…not even close. So, 150,000 years ago they would look quite different than today. Also, your vantage point changes when you move in space. So moving to another planet would dramatically shift the appearance of the constellations. That means you have two variables competing now, one spatial and one temporal. It’s a gaping plot hole. I firmly believe, and maybe Mojo has some insight, did the writers know where this was going during the Kobol episodes? Or were the loose ends tied up ad hoc?

    About planets, there are quite a number of exoplanets we’ve found. Most of them are large gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn, as they’re the easiest to detect with our current methodologies. The smallest one so far is COROT-Exo-7b which is roughly twice the diameter of earth and most likely has a molten surface as its surface temperature is between 1000 and 1500°C. It also orbits a star roughly 450 lightyears away.

  59. March 22, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    General question for Mojo, since I know we are all the harshest critics of our own work: If you had one shot that you could go back and redo, which would it be?

  60. 60 Tom McNamee
    March 22, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Thanks for the wonderful blog, the insights into your craft and into this wonderful show. I have learned so much, and my appreciation for what goes into this form of storytelling increases with every post.
    I found the ending satisfying and uplifting. When Tigh stated, “She’s broke her back”, I found that I actually had feelings for the ship. One pattern in the finale confused me, however. Why did many of the flashbacks show the major characters getting so over-the-top drunk? Sure, it’s a setup for later redemption, but why the lack of variety? I’m asking because I feel like I missed something (beyond Tigh’s chronic problem, and Adama’s occasional one).
    Again, please accept my thanks for your work, and your willingness to share it with us.

  61. 61 Jamie
    March 22, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Loved the ending, right up until the credits rolled. Great job with everything from Caprica City to the Colony itself too, but in Daybeak I, Caprica looked really grey and washed out as opposed to before, kinda rushed. Also I thought Roslin’s scenes with the forty year old served no real purpose, other than a sort of allusion to Last Night, in which Callum Rennie (Leoben), slept with his really old teacher (Genevieve Bujold), other than that it was one of the finest conclusions to any TV show I’ve ever seen. I was really happy with the ending, but secretly would have loved for some Star Trek ending where the Cylon God turns out to be a satellite or toaster or something. Best show ever, really depressed that its gone…

  62. 62 Colonial Warrior
    March 23, 2009 at 5:50 am

    Great FX, fantastic show. The music reminiscent of the original series was a rather nice touch. I liked seeing Adama in the Viper. Caprica City was cool who made that? Any idea what’s in store for the DVD when it comes out?

    A wonderful series has come to an end a 2nd time. I really enjoyed every minute of this. I hope that you keep this site going with more insight as to how the Lightwave 3D is used to help dreams come true. DM is a Dream Master to be sure. \

    Looking forward to what is coming next.

    Colonial Warrior

  63. 63 the king in shreds and tatters
    March 23, 2009 at 7:24 am

    You know, the next time I see that episode, it won’t be in a 1-hour timeblock on some cable channel. It’ll be the last disc on a stack of DVDs I’ll be watching all day.

    With that in mind, I like that the series has an hour-long denouement.

  64. 64 Bronson BeerBelly
    March 23, 2009 at 7:40 am

    I just plain forgive plot holes such as the constellations aligning somehow with both Earths, (I guess the arrow in the tomb just caused a shared hallucination; a mental mass hologram?) or the certainty that there are remnant bad guy Cylons in baseships still out there. They’ll all die off before they can regroup or rediscover resurrection.

    I’m just heartbroken that Galactica died in the the funeral pyre of our sun. As the title character of the show, I knew she’d give her last in the last episode, but she deserved better.
    That hurt as bad as Enterprise self-destructing into the Genesis planet, and Serenity’s crash landing at Mr. Universe’s doorstep. She deserved to maybe do a FINAL final jump onto the surface of Earth, or maybe end up with the fleet heading off into the universe with the Cylons, or just orbiting Europa or something.

    Also it would have been sorta’ nice to see Kara in Manhattan with the two angels. Guess that one doesn’t really fit, though.

  65. March 23, 2009 at 8:33 am

    I loved it all. The battle was breathtaking, the ending was satisfying. The discovery that the Earth we saw before was not our Earth answered any leftover questions I had about that.

    The only thing I felt wasn’t explained was how Kara was “the harbinger of death and will lead humanity to its destruction.” She did lead humanity to it’s end… but that was more of finding them a home than their destruction. Am I missing the angle I should be interpreting this? Anyone help me out here?

    As to the “angels,” I’d like to point out that only Baltar called them angels. And even the “angel” Baltar said “You know he doesn’t like it when you call him [God].” I got the impression that the “angels” are this show’s version of the Crystal Barge. Just as in the original show the Crystal Barge brought Apollo back from the dead, in this version they brought Starbuck back, only in this case they brought her back as one of them. Not really God, not really Angels… just another form of life that’s a higher intelligence. And It Has A Plan. ;)

    At least, that’s what I got out of it. Thank you, Mojo, for all your hard work on this series, and for sharing so much of it with us and giving such a wonderful inside view.

  66. March 23, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Just to expand on my “the angels were the Crystal Barge” theory… Baltar seeing his own private Six and Carpica seing her own private Gaius is to the new show what Apollo seeing his own private John was to the old show.

  67. 67 Sofos
    March 23, 2009 at 10:14 am

    The entire first 90 minutes was breath-taking, and the VFXs were the best I have seen on TV in a very long time if ever. The Old Cylons Fighting along side the new Cylons was really fun to see. To bad there were no old Cylon Raiders flying around. I guess the would have been decommissioned along time ago.

    I also really like how they don’t answer everything, but leave it up to the imagination of the viewer to decide. Never knowing what Starbuck, or Head Baltar and Six really were was a great idea. Also, what the God like being really is as well.

    Great finish to a great series.

    Lucky you Mojo for being able to have worked on it in some capacity.

  68. 68 Murf
    March 23, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Hated the 150,000 years later at the end. I “got” it already and didn’t need to be hit over the head with it.
    But most importantly, why no goodbye scene between Adama and Tigh? I really cannot believe that they just went their separate ways. That was the main thing I wanted to see!
    Loved the special effects! The battle scenes and especially the old Cylons fighting with the new ones was thrilling to see! I also thought the scene where Galactica comes out of the jump and almost breaks up was fantastic. I started to cry at that point and pretty much didn’t stop (until the lame Central Park scene ruined it for me in the end.)
    Overall, it was a wild ride! Great job, thank you so much!

  69. 69 John N. Ritter
    March 23, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Yes, Mike I am aware of the difficulty in finding an exact match. The real question then is exactly how much has the sol system moved in the last 150,000 years. Then we have to ask this question out to 400 light-lights. Why 400? Some time ago Astronomy mag ran an article on just how precise we could map the star’s positions. It wasn’t until the 1990s that this changed.

    The problem of course was our instramentation.

    But I have to through something out, that no one I have seen has commented upon. By coming to Earth 150,000 years ago, Ron Moor and company did something of utter geneis… The avoided completely any argument with our modern religions. No modren religion is better than few thousand years, no where near the 150,000 year mark. Yes our ancestors had beliefs, but we don’t know much about them – no body to take to for some strange reason…

  70. 70 centurion005
    March 23, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Mike just becaue they havnt found an earth like planet nearby doesnt mean there arnt any.Besides its just a show. The plot isnt about the science its about humanity and what it means to be human.Gilease contains at least one possible earth like planet and thats around 50 light years or so away.And as ive said already both Epsilon Eridani and alpha centuri are believed to have possible earth like planets in the habital zone. And mike just because you cant see something doesn’t mean it isnt there.

    Like I already said BSG isnt about science its about faith,survival,family,love,hate,war and how those things make us human.

    John. I bet one of those beliefs is that life here began out there.

  71. 71 Mike S
    March 23, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Most of the finale I liked a lot. It was certainly better than All Good Things and the resolution to Babylon 5.

    I was very disappointed in the resolution to Boomer. I had always thought that she was doing her best to throw a monkey wrench into the Cylon’s plans, so I wasn’t surprised when she helped Ellen escape, but then when she kidnapped Hera I thought, “OK, lets see where they go with this.” Then she starts having remorse about having done it and takes Hera back to the Colonial Forces only to be finally killed for her trouble. And the “tell the Admiral that I owed him one” flashback. Plleeaasse! She owed him one for having shot him. I really doubt that giving her a break on learning to land was all that important.

    And speaking of flashbacks, they didn’t add anything to the story. Laura having a one nighter caused her to join Adar’s campaign? Please don’t insult my intelligence. If the purpose of the flash backs was to show how the “Hand Of God” steered everyone to being in the right place for attact, I could have lived with that, but all I could tell was that they indicated that Apollo had a problem with birds in his apartment. (Yes, I know that it was a metaphore for Starbuck.)

    I was also disappointed in Cavel killing himself when he didn’t get resurrection. Not a satisfying resolution to a guy who needed a major ass-kicking. Personally, after he whined about not being able to experience a supernova properly because of the poor eyes instead of sensors, I figured that they would capture him, stuff him in Ander’s tub and plug him into Galactica. That would have been justice.

    I felt like the Kera Thrace leading the human race to its doom was just completely ignored.

    So, what did I like?

    I thought the death of Laura Roslin was very touching.

    I thought them finding a new planet and naming it Earth to be a good touch, although predictable.

    I didn’t have a problem with Starbuck just disappearing and them not revealing what she really was. I had always thought that her death was just a way to give the actress time to film The Bionic Woman anyway.

    I really liked the invisible Baltar saying “He really hates that name” at the end. My guess is that, if we really knew what happened at Kobol, we would understand so much more. However, Ron just didn’t want to commit to telling us that.

    And, of course, the CGI stuff was just the best. Emmy material.

  72. 72 centurion005
    March 23, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Darthmojo there is one more thing I wanted to ask. Im pretty sure you wont be able to post any models. But could you at least make a tutorial or post a sample scene for maya or lightwave3d on how you do the effects? Mainly the viper guns and the Jump flash.Even though they seem like they would be easy there actualy one of the hardest things to accomplish. I think I asked this already but is the jump flash done inside lw3d/maya or is it done in a video editor like combustion or after effects?

    Last question. Could you post the moodel sheets of the new tos centurion?Theres some for the new centurion but not any for the redesigned old one. I found some concept art and some of your renders but not actual front and side model sheets. I want to just try and model it myself.But I need the model sheets to do it.Would love it if you post them.

  73. 73 Dan
    March 23, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    1. FX were amazing. I think the space battle shots were great, but were eclipsed by the complex scenes involving the interaction of CGI centurions. I would ask Darth M. if he was involved with the centurion scenes, and if so, what was involved with creating the look of realistic interactivity b/t real actors and CGI.

    2. As for the finale itself, I would say it was good, but not great. There were too many logical holes and discontinuities for it to be called masterful. The biggest hole of all by far is the casual decision (apparently reached unanimously by all 39,000 survivors with no debate or dissent) to commit to a primitive, pre-iron age life of subsistence agriculture. They glibly call that a “clean slate” and trash all of their fully functional spacecraft. Ah, the joys of prehistoric living, what with the short life spans, rampant disease, high infant mortality, and never-ending toil! For reasons unstated, their clean slate approach does not extend to the Raptors.

    Given what happened on New Caprica and given that there remain Cylons out there in space (including one hostile faction), I found it implausible that the colonials would hurl their ships into the sun. Maybe they needed to do that in order to explain how the colonials existed in our distant past, but it still doesn’t make any sense.

    Anyway, Darth, the CGI was awesome.

  74. 74 Dan
    March 23, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Just one other thought on the CGI work. In another post on this blog, Darth M. takes us through a shot of the Big G. which was an intentional homage to a well-known shot on the original show.

    In the finale, just as the Galactica gets ready to jump away from the fleet and into battle, there is a shot (from above, with the Galactica bridge moving toward the viewer) that looks very much like a shot used frequently in the original series. I don’t know if Darth M. knows, but I would ask whether this was another homage.

  75. 75 Colonial Warrior
    March 23, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    I can just picture the book now…

    “Mojo’s Lightwave 3D, Cool VFX for SciFi TV and Movies The Way It Should Be Done”

    Now that would be awesome. A collections of Tips and Tricks that were actually used to produce our favorite FX shots.

  76. 76 darthmojo
    March 23, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Thanks for all the great comments, everyone – it’s been fun to read the debate on people’s feelings about the finale.

    Personally, I was – for the most part – satisfied. I think the show ended the way it should have and, despite nitpicks, it all fits into place.

    There has been a lot of discussion about the colonists agreeing to let their technology go and to just “live off the land,” but without that conceit, you couldn’t have established that THEY were our history. I mean if they kept all their tech and built cities right from the getgo, then human history would have been VERY different. Clearly Ron wanted the poetry of saying we are descended from these characters, so they HAD to start from scratch (and to the commenter who observed that the decision to forego all technology didn’t seem to apply to the raptors, there WAS a scene written in which all the Raptors were lined up and destroyed, but it didn’t make the final cut).

    On to a few other questions:

    Sorry, folks, but for reasons of copyright I am not at liberty to give away the models or any other assets used to create the show. But, as stated by others, there are plenty of fan-made 3D models you can find online to help you create your own visual effects (sometimes I even use them to help me create previz!). Some of the fan made models out there rival the real ones, so hunt around and I’m sure you’ll find something worthy.

    Ok, there have been A LOT of questions about the star patterns seen on BSG. Some folks have been taking screen grabs and analyzing the constellations seen in the show, looking for clues as to where the fleet was, is and was going. I hate to burst your bubble, but it was all random. Most of our starfields were generated by a Lightwave plugin called STARPRO:

    http://www.maasdigital.com/starpro/

    This is an excellent piece of software and it’s pretty much been used to generate all the stars on series like BSG, Star Trek and Firefly. You have the option of using real stars, or randomly placed points. If memory serves, the “real” stars loads by default, so we usually used that, never considering that some crazy fans might seach for clues in our backdrops!

    Eventually people began to notice the easy-to-spot belt of Orion cropping up, so upon learning this we made an effort to randomize the stars a little more. As the Fleet was getting closer to Earth we went back to using real stars, but at no point were we purposely placing constellations in – or out – of view. This job is time consuming enough without having to literally worry about every dot on the screen!

    That being said, next time I’m working on a show that has a starfield involved, I’ll pay closer attention :-) One thing all of you have taught me is that no matter what you do, SOMEONE will notice everything!

    So let me get this straight – you noticed the original series Cylons and the inclusion of the original series theme music and you’re wondering WHAT ELSE you should have looked out for??? What, those aren’t enough 1978 easter eggs for you? Actually, I think there is one more, but I’ll have to look at some frames from the final episode before I make any disclosure, so stay tuned.

    And while I personally had nothing to do with the creation of the Centurion scenes, I can give people a glimpse into how it’s done. I’ll add that to my list of blog posts that will happen “eventually.”

  77. 77 centurion005
    March 24, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Thanks for the plugin link DM! Its really usefull. I would still like to know how to do the jump flash and the guns though.Do you use the worley taft plugins for the guns? Thats what alot a people seem to think. Ive asked around at 3d community sites but havnt been given an easy to follow tutorial yet.

  78. 78 Snafu
    March 24, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    About letting go technology, the Galactica Sitrep site points out some interesting somments about it being not as farfetched as one would think: http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/03/renunciation-of-technology.html

  79. 79 James
    March 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Kara Thrace did lead the “human” race to it’s end. The fleet was not going anywhere else and the humans 150,000 years later were all hybrids…

  80. 80 mcooney
    March 24, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Bravo! Bravo!

    I kinda liked new BSG’s more hardcore realistic SF slant, and lately it almost seemed like the ghost of 70’s galactica with it’s chariots of the gods and relgious mythology reared it’s head, but i kinda think in a way Galactica wouldn’t be Galactica without some of that. I guess Ron Moore owed the original creators that much.

    I even liked the 70’s music theme playin when the ships were flying out of orbit.

  81. 81 Jono
    March 24, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    @Adam – I could have sworn I saw a Shadow vessel as well. Must have been an optical illusion, but I haven’t gone back to watch it again yet.

    All-in-all I think it was a job well done. You can’t please all of the people all of the time.

  82. 82 Fred M.
    March 24, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    About the graphics…I can understand the copyright issues. However, I know I have seen a lot of people ask around about captures from the computer displays. The DRAIDS and material like that. I know folks who won auctions dealing with that equipment were supposedly given a CD with copies for use, not having the skill personally, I would love to get some of them. Anywho…

    On the technology issue, I guess my thought is that they could have “ditched” the ships. Okay, that makes sense. But we’re also talking 150,000 years ago. Human history continues to have mention of the “Lost City of Atlantis” or something. I guess I’m saying that while I can see a need, I could also have seen them finding a way to not “completely revert” to the stone age.

  83. 83 paggers
    March 24, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    I was really disappointed with the finale. Despite a breathtaking first hour, the show really fell apart. Earth 2.0 and a pre-historic timeframe were cop-outs that I was hoping the writers would avoid. For one thing, it totally negated the impact of the nuked Earth discovered in Revelations. For another, for Homo Sapiens to evolve on a completely seperate planet snapped my suspension of disbelief, along with the “god” angle. Further, the (apparently unanimous) decision of the Colonials to abandon all technology in favour of a simple (and short and brutal) existence inside of a minute of airtime was sheer idiocy. The send-off of Galactica and her fleet into the sun was also disappointing and unsatisfying.

    On the bright side, it was nice to see the Kodiak cameo!

  84. 84 darthmojo
    March 25, 2009 at 12:58 am

    To any and all: I though it would be pretty obvious, but most folks call me MOJO. Not DM, not Darth, Darthjo or Darthski. Just MOJO. Some people think calling me “Adam” is cute – I don’t know why, maybe they think it makes them seem more like they know me, but my mother is the only one who calls me Adam so, unless you’re planning to come over and cook me chicken soup, I think “Mojo” should cover it for everyone.

    How does finding a new Earth negate the impact of nuked Earth? After a long journey of hope, our heroes discover that their long-lost brothers are all dead and their civilization destroyed. I’d say that’s a gut-wrenching discovery no matter what happens next.

    On the subject of Atlantis, yes, they could have kept their technology and the story implied they found the city of Atlantis, but seriously, that would have been the epitome of hoaky.

    I think the only way that issue could have been sidestepped and the story still end the way it did would be if far fewer people survived and made it to Earth. Way back when, sometime during the first season, my own little fantasy ending for BSG was that Starbuck turned out to be a Cylon and, in the end, she and Lee would be the only two survivors who made it to an unpopulated Earth. They become Adam and Eve and walk off into the sunset.

    Something like that – or having only Baltar and Six survive – would make the technology a moot point. I was talking to my friend Daren tonight and he really championed the idea that Baltar and Six being the lone survivors would really have been fitting, and I agree. An ending like that would have worked on many levels.

    JONO: There are NO SHADOW VESSELS IN THE FINALE. NONE. NYET. NADA. If you think you saw one, keep watching, keep thinking you see it and have fun. Woo-hoo!

  85. March 25, 2009 at 7:34 am

    I noticed this question elsewhere and thought I’d ask again since I haven’t seen a satisfying answer…

    What’s with the Mitochondrial Eve thing? Basically it was implied that Hera was Mitochondrial Eve. Or, in other words, the single ancestor from whom all of mankind comes from. Does this mean that the 30,000+ survivors all died and didn’t have children? Or was Hera the only fertile female on the whole planet?

    Why bring in the whole Mitochondrial Eve thing in the first place?

  86. 86 Dan
    March 25, 2009 at 7:50 am

    Mojo:

    I really hated the both the decision to abandon all technology and embrace the Stone Age, but I understand the desire to fit the ending into the overal mythos of Galactica (“Life here began out there. . .”)

    How could they have made this work in a way that wasn’t laughably implausible? The two suggestions you just posted would have worked pretty nicely, and would have added a nice, dark finish to the finale. My own thought from early on in the series was that the show would end with the Galactica making one last sacrificial stand, and that the rest of the Fleet would jump to Earth, but that we never get to see the arrival. RDM made clear that they would get to Earth, which pretty much killed my idea, but even so there were other options that they might have considered:

    One way to do it would be for the Colonials to show up at Earth at or before the dawn of civilization around 10,000 years ago, provide assistance to the natives, and then make a moral choice to keep moving deeper into space (to spare the natives the risk of Cylon detection).

    Yet another way would be for the Colonials to settle on Earth 150,000 years ago but then gradually come to the decision to downshift their technology. Since we do a 150,000-year jump to Times Square anyway, there would have been no harm in doing a jump 50 or 100 years ahead to show how the devolution comes about.

    Finally, RDM could have simply decided that a better story could be told w/o fitting the ending into the original show mythos and come up with something completely original. IMHO, almost anything would have been preferable to the glib plot twist for which he opted.

  87. 87 Jono
    March 25, 2009 at 8:20 am

    Ya, I went back and rewatched it and it’s true – there’s no Shadow vessel, but in the scene where dead Racetrack fires the missiles there’s a long shot of the colony that looks Shadow-ish at first glance. ;)

    [I don’t know if your “Adam” comment was aimed at me but I was replying to an Adam further up the page!]

  88. March 25, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Now we know that the Earth in Revelations wasn’t our Earth, I’m curious again about that bridge so many people (including me) thought was Brooklyn Bridge. Was that really just fans scratching at straws when they saw something that was a coincidence, or was it a deliberate red herring? :)

  89. 89 superstringer
    March 25, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    BEST.
    SHOW.
    EVER.

    To everyone who didn’t like the “God card” ending: You weren’t watching closely! In “33” — the first hour of the first season — Head 6 told Balter she was an angel of God. You just chose not to believe!

    This show was ALL ABOUT changing the bad Hollywood formula for sci fi. Star Trek / Star Wars had created crap sci fi TV. RDM completely rewrote it — finally, for the first time ever, making it COOL to be a fan of sci fi. You could go up to the hot chick in the office and say “hey did you catch BSG last night?” and she’d either say yeah or she’d say “no I dont watch but I hear its a great show.”

    So, the ultimate change from RDM to the sci fi formula? Sci fi found GOD. There have been sci fi shows with made-up religion, but no mainstream sci fi has ever shown our real religion. So here RDM actually foregoes a techy explanation and uses the “God card.” A total rewrite of sci fi as we know it.

    I hate that I won’t have this show in my life again, not like this. It didn’t have the longevity and relevance of “Hill Street Blues” (best drama ever), but, it was far more captivating. (Er, random thought — Belker to Baltar: “You hairbag!”) Its dialogue — “oh my Gods,” “frak,” “toaster” — is infusing into our lexicon.

    It SUCKS that its over. Yet… I was so tired of the stress between episodes… now I can relax!

  90. 90 pacimage
    March 25, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    The one thing I missed… the final goodbye between best buddies – Bill and Saul. WTFrak? Huge omission, in my opinion! I hope it was filmed, and it will be on the extended DVD! Maybe Laura’s immediate condition forewent a big goodbye to Tigh? On the subject of goodbyes… why did the Adama’s have to part? Hurm…

  91. 91 mcooney
    March 26, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    As for alternate endings, personaly i kinda wished Ron Moore had pulled a Chinatown on us.

    That is the 1970’s noir movie Chinatown where the detective pulls everything together, and just before the predictable confrontation, he does an epic fail 2 feet short of the goal line.

    Films and stories are about points of view, not necessarily the heroes. Instead of being about the saga of the survival of the human race as told by the humans, what if Battlestar had been intead the recollections of mankind’s descendent race telling the story of it’s progenitor specie’s final days.

  92. March 29, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Finding GOD in science fiction has been an intriguing topic for many-many people, sci-fi fans and religious nuts alike.

    But as a different kind of ‘nut’, I consider my relationship with GOD very personal and intimate, and my life’s passion is to bring an epic science fiction story based on the Bible and our current mapping of future history.

    I agree with Kimikaze’s quote about technology racing faster than our social maturity. BSG brings good message about how we should treat our future potential.

    GOD created life and mankind. Mankind, in its intelligence and wisdom may someday create sentient life, imitating mankind’s creator. What matters most is how we treat our creations.

    The production crew of BSG treat this wonderful television series with respect (and perhaps reverence), and I applaud Ron Moore’s creative direction of this series. The darkness in the story was necessary to establish the premise, and the ending was justly done.

    Long before BSG we had Star Trek, which carry the message of a futuristic utopia where mankind overcame its racial differences and explore the final frontier while being peaceful and tolerant.

    Star Wars brought a wonderful space fantasy story of good vs evil, about prophecies and redemption, and was wrapped in a lot of Eastern mysticism.

    Battlestar Galactica, brings a powerful message about technology, about our past sins and how we overcome our inner darkness and bring the best out of humanity, as well the grace of the higher power bringing the humanity and humanoid Cylons to a brighter future together.

    My epic story will be somewhat different. It will be somewhat dark, but also bright in many other ways. America is seeing hope and change, much recently from Obama’s presidential victory. The world is being united together to face the global challenges of economic and climate change. Evil and terrorism still exists and ready to prey upon the innocent. Day and night spiritual battles are fought between those who serve a futuristic better kingdom, and those who greed for more power and wealth. But the victor of this temporal war has been prophecied millennia ago. The grim view of this world would say history repeats itself over and over again. Some thing that the war between good and evil goes on forever and is eternal. But the Biblical truth (as revealed in the book of Revelations) says that God will be the ultimate victor.

    My life’s goal is to write and produce the story, that tells this last paragraph in an epic science fiction setting.

  93. 93 John N. Ritter
    March 29, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    This is what I have ben thinking of.

    Adama comes awake. He knows it has been some time since he feel asleep, or was eaten he can’t remember. At his is Laura, she is young beautiful as he remembers her, there is no sign of anything wrong with her. Then he notices that he is stading before a grissly execution of three men. The man in the middle, has been beaten to a bloody mess. The other two men are in better shape, and have the reason why they are being executed obvious.., but it is not obvious in any for the man in the middle, as to why. Above the man in three diferenct languages, that Adama dosn’t know or recogize, is something being said.
    Then Adama notices that his old friends are with him, plu all of thepeople of the Twelve Colonies of Man, the more than twelve billion of them, he can see them cleary, all of them. Then the man dies. To Adama’s intense startlement he comes down off the means of his execution to discuss a deal…

  94. 94 Kraig
    April 1, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Hey Mojo,

    Sorry to hear about the health issues. You will come back stronger!

    My question is: Why wasn’t there much fanfare on having all the Raptors jump out of the pods? It could have been an awesome visual, seeing the pods cave in on themselves, especially after all the pre examples of what a close jump does.

    What are your thoughts?

    And again, good luck!

  95. 95 John N. Ritter
    April 1, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    I don’t think I have seen this anywhere else. but the presense of cylon bloodlines explains the existence of past lives, as well as reincarnation. Further more, the reason that it is unrelible is that genetic recombination has occurred distorting (damaging) the retrivel mechanism. That is, if one of (you) has a past life memory, then the reason you don’t have any control over it, is that it isn’t (your) past life, but the life of someone else. (You) merely have a bad time doing a full and complete recovery of said memory…

  96. 96 doubleofive
    April 6, 2009 at 9:10 am

    I know I’m really late to the party, but I just wanted to say how conflicted I am on the Finale. I mean, it was great, don’t get me wrong. I guess I’m just more depressed that I know what happens to everyone than I would be if they just left me hanging. Instead of, say, Firefly where you can always happily assume they are still flying, BSG kind of gave us a “happily ever after” ending and that they all lived and died on Earth 150,000 years ago. I think the closure hurt me more than just ending it with them finding the New Earth would have. Of course, had they ended it like that, I’d be crying for closure…

    I guess I’m just unable to be satisfied. ;-)

  97. 97 Tripper
    April 6, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    One thought on the “Angels”; There is a theological school of thought that the angel that was cast out of Heaven, Lucifer, is not the Devil as we have come to know (Apologies to Ray Wise). Lucifer is better thought of as an adversary, rather than an evil being bent on collecting souls for hell’s decor.

    I thought of those two as an Angel and an Adversary; two agents of the Almighty, sent to guide these people through their journey, tempting and guiding them the whole way. If Head Six told Baltar that he would save mankind, it would have gone to his head and he would have ended up working toward the opposite. Telling him over and over that he would guide humanity to it’s end, made him at least attempt to do the right thing and in the end redeem the two characters with the most blood on their hands.

    Starbuck, on the other hand, was a soul returned to life to perform a duty and then leave, exactly like Mr Whitehead said at the beginning of the comments; she was Gandalf the White, returned to do the unfathomable bidding of Him (Because he doesn’t like being called God).

    Tell the guys, especially Ron, you did a good job. I was on the edge of the couch, nope, I was on the floor so I could get a better look at the battle between the Galactica and the Colony. The ending was the bittersweet finale I had hoped for.

    Thank you.

  98. 98 Pavlov's God
    April 10, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Good but not great.
    -Opera House needed more significance.
    -I would have liked to have seen the cost of reaching earth be a little higher. My assumption was that almost everyone would die and only a handful of people would make it to earth but no significant good-guy characters died in the battle. Closest we got was Helo. I don’t think any ship in the fleet was destroyed. I wanted gut wrenching at the end. For a show that has been so cutting edge and dark the end seemed to pull some punches. Starbuck dying in battle and not knowing what she was seems like a better end for her than her magically disappearing and not knowing what she is.
    -Galactica’s end was less than special. I wanted it to go out in a blaze of glory, not die off camera. I know, we’ve seen it before with the enterprise but it’s still cool.
    -Turning their back on technology – necessary, but there could have been better ways to explain it. How about the fleet got used in the final battle as Komakozi ships or as decoys to divide the raiders.
    -Flashbacks were ok but not for the finale. Cooled some of the momentum.
    -Robot montage was bad, how about a prototype new earth cylon. Something with a moving red eye would have been a stronger ending.

    Don’t let the above comments fool you, there was more Good than bad in this episode. At the end of the finale I felt satisfied but I knew it was not as good as the best BSG episode. Final battle was great. And with the direction RDM decided to go I liked that everyone got a proper send off. Lots of great CGI – maybe the most CGI ever for a TV show.

  99. 99 Boris
    April 11, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Overall, the finale and the shows leading up to it weren’t quite what I’d expected.

    What I wanted to see in season four was a gradual explanation of nearly every remaining mystery — the exact nature of the head beings, the exact nature of the Lords of Kobol, a more believable connection to our culture (if you think Atlantis would’ve been hoaky, what about the tons of elements of our culture which couldn’t have possibly originated from theirs, according to archaeological evidence, and if so, where did theirs come from? They evolved in parallel? Through the influence of the head beings?). I basically wanted to see the whole thing laid bare, and while a lot was revealed in the show with Ellen resurrecting, it didn’t go far enough.

    I’m not satisfied with “Head beings did everything we cannot explain”. If we ever see more of BSG, I’d like to see the head beings analyzed for their limitations, and possibly an alternative explanation for the prehistoric Earth. Did the ships make a final time jump into the past and never notice it? Are the head beings advanced AIs that will be developed tens of thousands of years in the future on our Earth, then start to manipulate their own past by creating the society on Kobol based on transplanted humans from Greece and Rome? I was looking for such twisted, shocking explanations, but instead the finale felt like, “Ok, so when are they? In the past, the present, or the future? Let’s make it the past, and we’ll say that the Colonial culture was connected to ours by the head beings somehow.”

    In other words, I was looking for character stuff as well as shocking resolutions of known mysteries, but the writers were mainly concerned about character arcs and didn’t quite pay off the mysteries in a big way. I guess I was spoiled by B5 in this respect; sure, the five-year arc did change _a lot_ (an original outline was published recently), but even with the changes, the show remained pretty well organized in terms of mysteries and their resolutions.

  100. 100 stripez
    June 23, 2009 at 11:25 am

    My re-action was “Ehh, just glad it’s over”.

    I am a big sci-fi fan and felt compelled to watch the show, but never really thought it was very good. The effects were great, but the story was brutal. The characters were weak and plot was mediocre at best, but probably even worse than that.


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